the poll numbers, right? >> he did -- >> he came back from those poll numbers and can come back from these poll numbers. >> when sources try to push one candidate or another, i want to read you something chuck schumer was in iowa last night and one one of the things he said was -- >> run, hillary, run! if you run, we'll win, and we'll run, hilary run if you win we'll all win. 2016 is hillary's time, and the nation will be all the better for it. the book about oh, maybe they replace him, maybe they didn't which i'm sure he understands he's a big boy and gets how this goes. we had a steady stream of people going, hey, hillary, go. who have -- they've known joe biden forever. what is the message here to him? >> the message is that if hillary wants to run, he won't run and he knows that and that she has a better chance of winning than he does. but, you know, everything points to the direction of her running but history and life often gets in the way of what people think will happen. >> as in 2008? >> yes. >> right.